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Speaker 3Hey, what's up? I'm Sversa VIPs. It's your boy Chris. So we are missing one of our VIPs today. It's just me and Chad today. Aaron is MIA, Chad. I don't know what's more important than being on here, but I don't, you know, I disagree.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's a sad day, we're going to have to have a chat after this. I'm sure he's got something important to do. So, we'll let him off the hook.
Speaker 3He's probably recording some of his amazing commercials. Maybe he's getting some acting lessons. He's still working on that acting. Now, he's still got some work to do if he's getting better.
Speaker 2Yeah. He's looking good.
Speaker 3Well, he's going to get her done. So, so we have a great guest today. I have known for a little bit on here. I want to say we actually met and maybe 2017's, so right, Mandy's somewhere around there 2017, 2018's, 2016. Does it have what have been that?
Speaker 1It was 2017, I think, 2017.
Speaker 3Yeah, probably somewhere around there, so I'm excited to have I'm excited to have me on the show that I mean you're out from our services up in Hampshire and Hampshire. Plumbing HVACs up to a electrical old gamut, took over the business from her folks, Dickie and Deb, Dickie and Deb, Dickie and Deb who started it back in 1980. 83, 83, 83, and then you took over in O3. Is that correct?
Speaker 1O3, we moved back. Yes, man.
Speaker 3Okay. No three. So, and then just to share a little bit with the what the guests do, I'll give a little bit of a background too, but just for some context on size of business. Twine, 23 year up, just a little bit of 14 million, nice little increase in 24 to 15.8. 25, they're at 16.8 and then pace in 20 million this year. So it's a nice gradual growth through the we were talking though, you know, pre-pock-ass due to COVID weird years. I mean, now I'll see you in a nice little bump. And so I love to talk through and talk to that a little bit. But first, how we met was, and I remember you like the first impression I have of you because I was like, oh my god, she's super a-type. She's very strong. Well, and I remember the first time, first time meeting you, and it was at a CEO warrior event back in like 7, And I want to say it was either my first or second. And these old school CEO warrior events were like nothing I've ever seen in my life before, because it wasn't like a normal trade show. To chat a few to solve this, like you for sure would have been like, yeah, this is not my seat. Um, but you walk in and it's like loud people are standing on tables and banging and wearing it. I like it was insane. It was crazy. And I loved every bit of it. I loved every bit of it. I was like, this is my jam. I could not wait to speak those events. how I got to know Ian pretty good was this is like make correctly fun wrong maybe but it was like either late November or early December actually think it was early December was an event where this is in Jersey freezing cold outside and we got to go outside and walk on coals and then do a cold lunch and this was that like midnight or maybe even close to one And Jersey in the middle of winter and I have and I'm like what in the hell are we doing this thing is this is insane So you have this room full of all these crazy people and now we're all going to go outside in the parking lot And we're going to go walk on some calls and then we're going to do a cold plunge And so I didn't have any shorts So I wore a pair of eons boxers Oh, my gosh, sorry to share with me a pair of his boxers And he was a guy. He was a little bigger than I am But I got to go do a coal plunge in Ian's boxers. And that was my introduction. It's such a good dude. He has such a good dude.
Speaker 1And that's definitely an honor. He'll give you the shirt off his back and his underwear.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, god, god gave you his underwear and it's taken this long to get to get Mandy on the podcast.
Speaker 1My god, he should have had him.
Speaker 3Uh, dude, you didn't ask to, you didn't ask if you remember that. I hope to got your members out. That was like, I'll never forget that mother for multiple reasons. With the fact that he gave me his freaking pair of spare boxes was awesome.
Speaker 4That's great.
Speaker 3So I could go do this because they're like, you don't have to do it. You don't have to do it. And I'm like, uh, I'm not going to not do this. So like, I'm in. And then I also just want to say, you know, during my treatment, you know, my cancer treatment and all the stuff, man, you've been so awesome reaching out and not stopping and sending food and stuff to that. Like, you did so much for me and for the family during this time and checking in. I thought that was so thoughtful. And I really, I really appreciate it. I really appreciate that. I know Anna really appreciate that to you and connect and to you. So, so thank you so much for doing that. I was sweet.
Speaker 1You bet.
Speaker 3But we're happy to have you on your man. You run around. I'm excited. I was like, we're talking. I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Why do we not have her on your. Yeah. We got to get her on the podcast. He's like the perfect person to me on here for it. Like you're at the right size, too, that you've been through some good stuff. You're still going through things. I'm sure you still got some ambitious goals.
Speaker 4Which I'll.
Speaker 3And then what I want to do real quick, too, because I forgot the last couple of episodes. I've got to give a shout out to our sponsors because you know, I have to. It's pretty important I give a shout out to. Number one, a Voka, a Voka has been a big sponsor of ours for quite a while. Great company really love those guys. Also to sales ask. They've been great for a chat and I use sales ask at Robert Roofing. And also to send to email marketing, which is my new email marketing company. And then Chad can't stop to gross. Hope you have things to do. We haven't talked about that. We got a chat about that a little bit more just to kind of what's happening. What the some of the chains that you guys are doing and gross a tap number there. Um, and that's about it for now. So anyway, just quick shout out to our sponsors and to thank them, but let's do this, man. Let's go ahead and like I kind of talked a little bit about about your background, but I do want to talk a little bit about the come up into the trades and then kind of what you know, um, you know, I kind of, you know, I kind of, you know, I just let everybody know that you it was your mom and dad started the business and you guys took it over, but maybe just share a little bit of the background coming up into it and we'll start to ask questions.
Speaker 1Yeah. Absolutely. Story starts back in 1983. My mom and dad started the company and grew it pretty successfully back then primarily septic and drain cleaning successfully up until 2001 two days after September 11th my dad passed away of a heart attack. on a hunting and fishing trip at Alaska with his two best friends. He was 46 years old. So to say it was a shock to all of us, for sure was.
Speaker 3Hey, man. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Uh, what was he was he hunting polar bear or like moose or what do you know what he was hunting?
Speaker 1He, he was, it was a two week trip. He was fishing the first week and then going out into the woods. Um, oh gosh, maybe elk hunting? Oh yeah, okay, the night before they were headed out into the woods is when he passed away.
Speaker 3Oh, man, he was like a man's man, huh?
Speaker 1He was a man's man. He was mechanically inclined. He was, you know, a hunter, fisherman, all the things outdoors. Love to snowmobile ski, ice fish, which I still don't get to this day. But yeah, he was, he was a guy's guy for sure. Sure.
Speaker 3What was, I mean, is that kind of like, when he is like, those are guys that just try everything like they've got a high risk meter like they do all like that's he could just figure anything out.
Speaker 1Yeah, just whatever you need he could do it. He could figure it out not a college graduate just you know went through the trade school started as an electrician and just has figured it out along along the way.
Speaker 3But he was healthy.
Speaker 1He was he had had a quadruple bypass 18 months prior I would say 20 25 pounds overweight. He lost the weight healed quickly back at it 100% felt better than ever. So they think it's just some scar tissue built up and unfortunately passed away. And it's sleep which you know as awful as it is there's blessings to know that I didn't have to watch my dad suffer. He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it so. You know, I can't be, I can't be greedy. So that was good. Yeah, so that was 2001. And then at the time, my husband and I were living out in Colorado, we weren't married yet, but we were dating. And my husband was in the plumbing trade. He was a plumbing apprentice. We're a plumbing company in Colorado. And then my mom stayed in the office. We had one technician back. They had one technician back then. He decided to go out and open his own subject company. At that time, Ian and I decided to move back home to help mom run the company. So we moved back, got married in 02 and then moved back in 2003 and just kind of dug in and went for it. I mean, God bless my husband who got a CDL out in Colorado said, okay, I'm moving to New Hampshire with my wife. He had, you know, only bent in New Hampshire for my dad's funeral. And he said, let's go. So he's definitely my rider died and has been with me through thick and thin. So I'm forever grateful for him. So. We came back in 2003 and just started growing the business and making decisions from our gut and thinking we were making the right ones and for growing $100,000 a year and all was good. And fast forward to about 2016. We had built a few houses in between how do few kids, two girls. And about 2016, I was starting to like, Make decisions, but I wasn't positive. I was making the right decisions. I felt like I was guessing. And so we started doing some research had no idea about the trades industry and how many resources were out there even way back then. And we stumbled across at a trade show CEO warrior so we joined CEO warrior. back in 2016 and that's when we really started to grow the business and to branch out into some other trades and trying to offset some of the highs and lows of the septic industry and the winter in New Hampshire when you know people are only pumping septic tanks and drain cleaning when there's an emergency. So We were dealing with some challenges back then and decided to kind of branch out and add in all the other trades age back plumbing and electrical all the same time. I wouldn't do that again, but we did and so we just kind of figured it out along the way and and here we are today. So.
Speaker 2uh, Mandy, one of the questions. So we have kind of a similar story in that it doesn't sound like living in Colorado, doesn't sound like you were like interested in joining the family business. Obviously, some unfortunate circumstances potentially pulled you back in there, but like what was that, what was that transition for you like? Because that was me. I graduated from college. I can't work on anything, probably not a spot for me there, and then kind of got pulled back into the family business. Kind of what was that transition like for you? Maybe you're maybe not wanting to be in the business from the start.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know, for me, it just, it felt like the right thing to do. I know that sounds silly, but I'm an only child. I'm very close to my mom. And I knew eventually when we were gonna have children, I probably was gonna move back to New Hampshire. I didn't expect to go into the trades, but honestly, it's been a blessing, and it's been such a ride, it's been so much fun, and it's given me the ability to be creative. really just do the things that I've wanted to do. So I did go to school and graduate with a finance major with business management as my focus and also marketing. So I'm definitely business oriented. I myself cannot fix anything either, but that's how my husband comes in. And he can, he can do it also. It was just a good transition. Little tricky at first, my mom, God bless her is so strong wild and independent and to lose the love of your life at 46 is just, I can't even imagine, I was getting emotional and I talk about that. Oh, that's hard. She's courageous and she's the bravest woman I know. So, you know, it's just the thing that we had to do. And we came back in the community, you know, you think about when somebody passes away and he's the main technician of the company. You know, people, you think that people are going to stop calling us. And the community surrounded us. And my dad's friends came in nights and weekends and helped us. And we just continued to grow like fiercely. And so that's one of the reasons why we're so grateful and so committed to the community that we live in, we're always trying to give back and do what's right in our community because they saved us when we needed them the most. So there's definitely a mom and I've had some fights. We've had some challenges, she was strong-willed, I'm strong-willed, and I'll always be her little girl. And as a 50-year-old woman, I'm always trying to make my mom happy, and I'm trying to do the right thing. So she's proud of me. I don't know that that ever goes away. We may have thrown a boot at each other back and forth a couple of times. Um, but overall she, she did pretty well at giving me the freedom and, you know, she knows I'm smart and all of that. So I just kind of did it with common sense in statistics and we just figured it out.
Speaker 2It's awesome. I mean, that's the similar story, right? It's like my dad doesn't think the way that I do. I don't think the way that he does. It doesn't make either of us wrong. It doesn't make either of us right. Just makes us have a different opinion. So I think that's so unique when you can blend it together. You know, I got very lucky in that my dad was like, Well, this is what you want to build. I guess just go for it. I'm like, well, you know, why in God's name would you get to 20 somethings the keys to the kind of a car that you built? But lucky enough, I was he had enough confidence in us. I'm sure like your mom did. It's like, hey, you know, I raced her. She's got to be smart. Go do your thing. So I think that's so cool in some of these stories where I think Our industry has, I think, and probably everyone does. You know, you've got the bad ones that don't turn out real well. Let's go up and smoke, and then you've got the success stories. And I think it's just so interesting to see how that all comes together. Because it's always a little bit different, but there's, I think there's a lot of similarities in that too. the one that you mentioned that I resonate with is, you know, you just want to make your mom proud. And I always felt people were like, what's your dad think about this? And this is that you know, I'm like, oh, if I can come to work and just make him proud, like, I feel like I'm doing good, exactly. You know, the rest of the take care of itself, for sure. One of the things I want to ask you about because I think we get this question on here, I think every time, is about adding trades. So I've never actually heard someone from septic and drain clearing at the others. I've heard it in all of a bunch of different rides. I haven't heard this one. So this is interesting. What you said, I wouldn't do it like that again, by adding them all at the same time. That is very courageous. But like, what did you learn from that? Like, if you had to go do it over again, maybe add them one at a time, I don't know. That's the obvious one. But like, what did you learn from that? And I guess what do you take in future changes that you make with the business that you learn from kind of adding them all at the same time?
Speaker 1Sure. I would say making sure you have the right person and the right seat to lead the department. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, we've been through. Oh, probably four or five leadership changes there. I think this time we finally have got it. And it's clicking, and I'm so proud of the team. They work so hard. But I would say it's having the right people. I can bring the energy. I can bring the leadership. I can't tell you how to fix an HVAC machine. I can manage to numbers, but it's finding that right person, You know, can blend all of those together to make it work.
Speaker 3Hey, man, what is your actual title at the business today?
Speaker 1Uh, owner.
Speaker 3Okay, so and so and same thing, you guys are just going or the business that how worked. But what is he doing?
Speaker 1Well, I tell him he's retired. No, we finally, we've been working really hard. I mean, he literally was in a truck up until about three years ago. So finally, we got to the point where we're like, Oh my gosh, if we're going to get to out of the truck, like the next truck, the next plumber we hire, you're out. You're getting rid of your tools, you're getting rid of everything. And we did that. We literally unplugged him from the truck. He still holds our master gas license and plumbing license and all the things so they refer to them for questions if needed and things like that But now he's pretty much working on our personal investments our homes are real estate the other passion projects we like to do
Speaker 3Yeah, you were building, you built that. Are you in it? What was that beautiful house you guys are building that old was like Victorian style and what was that old?
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, that was the old church rectory. Yeah, that was so cool. We sold that two years ago. So we've done we're on our 20. This is our 23rd project. No, sorry, 19th project in 23 years.
Speaker 3I wish I was at Andy. He's so handy.
Speaker 1Yeah, he can do anything.
Speaker 3They built this beautiful. Oh, this old. Oh, my gosh, it was gorgeous. Because you guys would post some like progress pictures along the way. And I was like this thing is gorgeous.
Speaker 1Yeah, we remetled model to church rectory. It was from 1858.
Speaker 3It was so cool. We have it.
Speaker 1It's beautiful.
Speaker 3Man, he sent me over a picture. I'm going to pop up on this episode while we're talking about it. Sure. Um, yeah, but it just I wish I was hanging like my dad was really handy like that, too, but I'm I'm just I'm not I'm not very handy. I guess that's why I what they digital marketing route because the computer space seemed to me make more sense to me, then trying to measure and cut wood.
Speaker 1Yeah, I have the I have the vision and the in the style and then he's somehow can incorporate my vision and just pull it all together. So. Yeah.
Speaker 3Um, so then maybe let's just let's do this. So your mom's got to be proud of because you grown the business bigger than they'd ever grown it. So like, you know, she's got to be like, okay, cool, many got this. She's doing her thing. What's her involvement if any of L today? She's just your, the, the, the, the rather support.
Speaker 1Yeah, she's retired. Um, once we, once we had kids, she took a little bit of a pretty big back seat. Um, that's when we started hiring people for in the office, and she was kind of my right Shuffling kids around and doing all the things, which is what she loved to do, plant my flowers, do all of those. She wasn't, it was never really a dust person. She was always that hands-on worker-be, but she just resonated towards answering the phones and doing all of that when my dad wanted to start the company. So she did it as long as she had to, and then when she got the opportunity to unplug and take off and do other things, she certainly did that. But she's retired now, she's 72. 72 should be 73 in January. And she's traveling in an RV and back and forth from Florida and New Hampshire and Illinois and all the things. So she's busy.
Speaker 3Yeah, I love my 70s like that, too. Yeah, so can maybe maybe give me an idea of what the business break down this today because if you guys are pushing, you know what I think it was a 20 minute or something this year is the majority of the business plumbing each back like one of what's to break down the business today.
Speaker 1Yeah, biggest division right now, a septic and drain cleaning in our installed department for our pipe re-lining. HVAC is right behind it. I would say we're probably 40% septic drain cleaning in excavation, 30% on HVAC, it's climbing quickly and then the rest is plumbing. And electrical is more of a support role, more of a support role to the other traits at this moment.
Speaker 3got it. And then so, okay, so thanks for that. So then over the last, we'll call it, you know, since 23, you've been seeing some like gradual growth. I'm not sure if you guys, you know, kind of like some of those in COVID got like the big pop and then it fell off and then you started building back again, or if you got a big pop and you're able to to hang on to it and keep growing from there, like where did you kind of fall in that bucket before like before COVID hit and
Speaker 1Yeah, New Hampshire was very interesting. We live in very much a state that has a lot of tourists and a lot of second homeowners that come up from Massachusetts, Connecticut, down south. We're in the Lake Wanda Pasaki area. So a lot of those people, when COVID hit, they all came to New Hampshire to their lake houses, to their second homes, and then they never left. So we saw a big, big increase in 2020, and it just continues to increase. We were growing day by day in our area. the growth that we've seen has been. and exponential the past several years.
Speaker 3Yeah, and you guys have had some like nice ink like constant good incremental growth. Now, is that, is that part of the plan? Or are you like just like, hey, we kind of found a stride that we were kind of, you know, and we're going to really maybe you talked about we had some leadership changes happening that maybe you know, you could have been faster but you needed to make the leadership changes. Like, is it, is that, was that the plan? Like, just some nice slow, gradual growth?
Speaker 1Yeah, I just wanted to continue to grow it where it made sense. You know, for several years, we focused on top line top line top line and not so much the bottom line and over the past three, four, five years, it's like, what are we doing? So we've really tried to like, regroup and refocus and focus more on the bottom line than the top line. I mean, Yan and I honestly have had a very small leadership team really from the beginning and we strong armed it until late, 2020, four. It's 2026, 2025, we hired a general manager and a controller in the beginning of 2025. So up until then, it was him and I at the helm with some service managers that we're amazing and did the best that they could, but they were running those departments day to day. So we're finally just starting to see more of a building phase which is why we've had a good strong increase from 2025 to 2026. You know, I'm hoping now that the sky is the limit and we're on a good path and continue to grow. Cause I'll grow it as big as I can as long as I have the right people behind me.
Speaker 2Andy, tell me a little bit more about that. I think that's another question I get a lot of times like, what should my org chart look like? And I'm like, well, sometimes it's messy. Based on the puzzle pieces that you got. Like, well, why is this person over here? I don't know, just they're doing something. What's that kind of, it sounds like you've kind of like found maybe a little, and I may be speaking for you such as Craig Baffin' that. But like, what's that kind of look like? So GM controller, what's that kind of look like from, you know, you said, going from 16 to 20 million now that's, you know, you're kind of in a spot where like, now it's like, hey, real on the leadership, like managers, managing managers, not just individual contributors, kind of what's that look like for you guys right now?
Speaker 1Yeah, so right now we have pretty much all of the operational departments reporting to our general manager with the exception of the septic in the drain cleaning because that's where I'm actually really strong just because I've grown up in it. So I'm we're doing that together and working on that piece of it together, the controller obviously reports to to me marketing falls under our general manager. Um, fleet falls under myself because I'm believe it or not strong on fleet, um, in, in the general manager as well. So we split during cleaning and septic and we split, we split fleet. Um, yeah, so an interesting thing, um, which is something that I'm actually, and I would love to add your feedback on this. Um, one of the things that I'm struggling is I have realized that my general manager is definitely, I mean, I've, I've, John's been with us, so I guess a year and a half now. He's definitely the visionary and I am a visionary, but I am also like role-my-sleeps up. I'll dig in to service Titan. I'll figure it out like I'm just that type of person. So I feel like I'm more of the the integrator. And so right now I'm trying to work more remotely. I'm trying to let my team step in. I'm stepping back. They have, like, they've got it. They don't need me. So I'm trying to step back and give them the power they need to to level themself up. So I'm trying, I'm working on getting myself out of the implementer role in more into the visionary role. And I would love to know, like, what has your feedback? Have you had to go through that transition and any advice that you could maybe help me with?
Speaker 2Yeah. So great question. I think the fact that you're wrestling with those two roles is a very positive thing where I think there's a lot of vision areas who think they too are the integrator and they are not an integrator whatsoever and that's where things get really messy because nothing ever gets done. It's just a lot of ideas and like it's like, does anyone are we going anywhere? doing stuff. Yeah, so it's like, it's all great. It was going to do it. For me, I've always been, I'm not a good like integrator, like I'm organized and stuff like that, but then when it comes to like business, I've been, I've got a file folder just full of stuff here that I'm like working on and thinking about and trying to create, um, For me, I've been very lucky, because I've had integrators, which has been good for me, because they can go do it and make it come to life. Yeah, I mean, I think that for me, I've never had to wrestle between the two. So that's kind of maybe where it's a little bit different. As I've always been able to be here, my brother has helped out a kind of on the integration piece. We have Christie who's been with us for 26 years now, has always been kind of my right hand integrator. She'll dig into service tight and she'll figure out what the deal is. How do we need to track this on and so forth? And you know, obviously now we have a lot of kind of integrators. And I think it's it's kind of finding that balance of where do you want to be? right like where what role do you want to play being the owner you get that you know obviously you want to play to your strengths but you get to choose where you want to be and so I think it's interesting John you said his name was is like how do you guys kind of coexist and be visionaries together and maybe there's certain things that he's visionary on and you could be certain things on another just making sure that you have that integrator role. think is the key for me, or at least that I've seen. Because you get too many visionaries in the room, nothing really ever gets done. But if you have too many integrators, then nothing ever gets my geterated on, and how do we come up with this new idea and offering and so on and so forth? So I don't know if I answered your question or I just talked for a little while, but that's been kind of my experience, I guess.
Speaker 3Yeah, almost seems like you're kind of in this position where as long as you have, just because you're willing to be an integrator doesn't mean that you should be. But that you and your strength is if it is in being a visionary, well, then that's the role you should you should take.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, my, my sweet spot is I used to be able to sit in a room and just I could sit there for two hours and I could I could say to myself. Well, that doesn't sound efficient. Okay, how can I change that tweak this, like, running through it and running through it in my head? But now as the company has grown and new employees have come in, the owner walks in the room and everyone's like, You know, so I, I'm missing that piece and I wish I still had it and I try to be like authentic like be yourself like tell me when there's something wrong so I can fix it for you like nothing changes if we if we don't know so I missed that piece but I I know that I have to step into a new role. It's time it's time for me.
Speaker 3Hey, let me ask you a few questions and I know that you said I think it was your I think marketing follows under your GM I want to ask it just a couple marketing questions you did I get them you did go to school and get a marketing career right and you go for market. Yeah, but what what is like so you guys are pushing 20. What are your like. Call it top five if you're going to think of it like lead sources right now that you guys have. I mean, I know you you're messaging me the other day about doing some some direct mail tactics stuff, but like what is your top? What is your guys's top, you know, three, four, five, you know, lead gen sources or lead sources that you like are like, you guys focus on today.
Speaker 1Yeah, I wish I could say, you know, something outside the norm, but pretty much it's paper Recurring customers, we've got 35,000 customers in our database that we can tap into when we need to. So, paper click being the biggest one, we just started. We run our marketing budgets 4% last year. I was like 3.3 and a half, 4%. Um, so pretty low overall, um, makes me wonder if we tweak it a little bit and turn it up a little bit. What will, you know, what will happen. So we might play with that a little bit this winter. But we wanted to make sure we lined up a few other things first. And, um,
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, there's no right or wrong. I just was legit curious to see what you guys focused on at your size. I mean, Chad and I are just having this conversation earlier about our marketing budget and like what we spend for our roofing business and like, you know, and what's the biggest nu sense is, Man, how can I get this board full without having to run paid ads, you know, to something like that. Like so, and you, because you have multi trade, you know, and you got 35,000 contacts or whatever it is or whatever, you're a fit for your memberships or whatever. You can cross, you cross market and there to try and build, you know, book a business, which is the cheapest way to get it done.
Speaker 2Yep.
Speaker 3But just, yeah, just curious to see, you kind of what you're doing.
Speaker 2Man, did you just go ahead?
Speaker 1Nope, go ahead.
Speaker 2As you're going to say, one of the things I was thinking with the branding so strong, when did you guys say you added the other services again?
Speaker 12000, 2018, I believe.
Speaker 2Okay, so you've been doing it for like eight years. One thing that you may, that I would just say that we have found a ton of success with that may help with yours because I would assume that with a lot of your traffic moving to the area, it's like they call you for one thing. They don't have a need for another. Then they forget that you offer all of these and all of this stuff. One thing we started tracking and actually incentivizing our text to do was to set cross trade referrals. Um, it has been a huge lead source for us. Obviously, those leads are fairly inexpensive and it gets you, you know, more touches with that one customer who already knows likes and trust you. Um, it's been, it's been awesome. It's like one of those things were like, yeah, when you're small, it's like, oh, yeah, tell them about and we actually found out about it. Some of our smaller locations where they were doing this a lot because they all knew each other and it was like, we're all buddies like, hey, shoot, we're a little light on plumbing. Okay. Well, I'll say something to the sage back customer that I'm out. That's one of the things that's been awesome. It sounds like you guys may already have something going like that or already doing it, but that is one thing we like honed. in on and like we're putting it in front of the text all the time. Like, hey, Billy's made an extra 1200 bucks over the last three months because he's setting, you know, leads for other trades and different stuff like that, which has been really good.
Speaker 1That's great. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Um, okay. So now I want to ask just a couple of questions on maybe let's talk about some of the challenges. Were you into that side of it?
Speaker 1Where should I start? Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, because this, like, again, that it's important to talk about it, too. It's all realistic, like, every, it's not like they ever go away. Yeah. There. So where you're at. But, like, where are you? What do you guys battling today? Like, what are the things that are like the, you know, keeping you up and night?
Speaker 1My biggest battle right now is probably more of a personal battle as I've noticed that the larger the company gets, I feel like the less the world likes you. And I did in, it's like the bigger you get, people want to see you fail. And I struggle with that because I want everybody to succeed. I mean even, you know, I have employees that have left me and opened their own plumbing company go do it like I'm so proud of people and I I have struggled with it's it's actually caused me to go a little bit more behind the scenes and you know step out of Facebook a little bit and out of the social media because I just You know, I keep charging on and I move past it, but I have to keep, you know, talking it through myself saying, nope, don't listen, just keep going, just keep going, but I do struggle with that, like I want us to be liked and, you know, we do a lot for our community, we love our community and when you get some of that. Um, that feedback from people, it's, it's hurtful. And I, I struggle with that. That's probably my, my biggest personal struggle right now is just shutting off that noise and continuing to just stay focused on what I know is important, um, you know, my goal. I'm not out here to just build a company to support my, my husband and my wife and my two kids like I'm building a community. You know, we have close to I think we're at about 90 employees right now, you know, times a family of four that's 360 people that, you know, rely on, on me and that I support and, you know, I want to build an ecosystem. I want to family. I want a community. My own little, my own little community to take care of. So there's a lot of challenges with that. It's a lot of pressure. And it's just, you know, day after day. day and day out, same thing over and over every day and just shutting out that noise is sometimes hard for me to do.
Speaker 3Yeah, I wish I could tell you that gets better. No, it really doesn't and it is, you do have to figure out how to shut it off because you are like, your heart is good. What you're doing is good, but there's always going to be somebody who doesn't see it that way. or somebody who just doesn't care or thinks you're out for whatever, no matter how good you do. And you do just have to get comfortable with that. It's just, it's just part of it. And I'm the same thing because I want to dare by the like me. You know, until I realize like, oh my gosh, okay, there's people that don't like me. And they don't, they don't, but then I try to think like, well, they only understand what's going on from where they're at on the mountain. Like, I'm up here. I can see the whole view. They're only down here. They're going to see this piece. So they don't understand why I'm making this decision. So there's like, so then I could, I could start to justify. I'm like, maybe if they understood why I made this decision, they might think differently. But, but they're not going to. So as long as I focused on just doing what was good and what I knew was the right thing and what felt good and it was like on the up and up, then I was content with that and that's just the spring of mind that you're going to have to get in and I would say for you to you're very like because you're such it you're such a a type and you can like them you can control a room there's probably a stigma around that right because you have like the strong personality. That it might be hard to see through that like tough exterior to see like, oh, okay, maybe she's a little bit softer than you know, then I think so you probably have a little bit of that go and Anna and I talk about that too because Anna is very a type as well very strong and and she gets some of that right where she might come across bitchy, but she's not actually that bitchy. She's just incredibly incredibly confident and and what we're doing but behind that like is a really good human being with a good heart making great decisions for the team.
Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2The other tell you for my experience, I feel that too. I want to make everybody happy and I feel like what we're doing is a good thing. One strategy that I found is just doubled down on your story and just tell it because the people that get it, the people that are going to say, also work like I really like that and you're really doing the right thing they'll drown out the people that are the haters and to me what I've found is like you know and I'm out there quite a bit and doing a bunch of stuff and all of this and what I've found is like I'm just gonna if I if I truly believe what I'm doing I'm not like trying to be somebody of not this is who I am and sounds like you are very genuine and This is who I am. This is what I want to do and such a genuine mission. It's like just double down on that. Like you can only try to hate me so long before people are like, are you in an idiot? Like have you not heard their whole story and about how she took over for a pair? It's and they're doing all this stuff and they're supporting these 300, 400 family members of all these Okay, maybe on it is shut up like I'm I'm I'm an idiot now like they they'll get it like I mean I've seen people that have hated me on social media for months and months and finally they're just like they just disappear They're like he can give up busy and he must be truly about this because this all this this is all he talks about It's like, yeah, this is who I am. Like, I know that you hate me for some made-up reason because we've never, never met, nor will we probably ever. But, you know, just keep doing your thing. But, yeah, just double down on your story. You got a great story. Yeah, just tell it to the world.
Speaker 1It's actually what we decided for 2027 is because I came to the realization that, you know, my dad's been gone. It will be 25 years next week. So I've lived more of my life without my dad than with my dad and the the people that remember my dad are now in there. You know, 70s and 80s and they're slowly starting to, you know, to leave us. So I'm trying to go back and recapture all of those stories and one of the reasons why when we rebranded a couple of years back. We decided to bring him in as the character church because I don't want. My dad's legacy to to ever leave. So that is our mission for 2027 is to bring back those stories. And we are mom and pop like our mom and pop. We just have a big family now. You know, we're not corporate. We haven't been bought out. We still do everything, you know, on our own. So. Um, we've decided to share that story in 2027.
Speaker 2So awesome. You'll really appreciate that. And I think that'll help you get over some of that. Like, because it is it sucks. It's like, come on. What'd you deal. I got to be mean. Um, right. But yeah, I think that'll be that that'll be a really positive for you. And I think it'll resonate to because it's such a great story. I mean, how can you not like that story. There's pieces of it that everybody can relate to.
Speaker 1Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3Okay, so I'm actually going to just pivot to just a couple of questions that we will ask most of our guests, I would say probably a 90% of our guests and I just want to get your honest opinion, no, no fluff, no like thinking through it, just like you're honest to goodness opinion, which I think you'll give to me, but it's what's broken in home services, but nobody wants to admit it. What's broken in home services from again, this is your opinion, but nobody wants to admit it or what are you seeing or what do you thought about or seeing others say, but you're like, nah, that's that's not real.
Speaker 1Well, I think the biggest thing is there definitely is the lack of technicians out there. So it's hard for us to to grow those technicians from the from the ground up is everybody wants those seasoned. season technicians and they're hard to find pretty much in any trade. I will, what I don't think is true is I think the persona behind them, there are so many good technicians out there that want to do good, that may get a bad rap.
Speaker 3I think we've actually had quite a few people respond
Speaker 1Yeah, it's always the challenge, but you know what, if you say, oh, I can't find anybody, I can't find anybody, you're right. You're not going to find anybody with that attitude. So, you know, you have to find the right person that works with the team that you can, you can groom and grow and is willing to learn and come in. It's not, I live in a small community. There's 8,000 people in our town. How did I find 100 people that are amazing people? Like, my team is amazing. I have, 90 of the best employees in our area. How do I get 90 of them? It's not me, like, or maybe it's me, I don't know. But good people are out there that want to work really hard and do great things. You just have to find them.
Speaker 2Yeah, you have 8,000 people in your town and you're doing 20 million.
Speaker 1Yeah, in our media town is 8,000.
Speaker 2Who's the lady out in, um, what is it, uh, Lake Havasu or something like that? I cannot think of her name. I mean, yeah, yeah, and then she has, she has like a very, very small population and just built an amazing business out there. I was like, want everybody to hear this and ask me about opening up a second location. Plenty of opportunity. And you're like, I don't know. I don't trust me.
Speaker 1The whole state of New Hampshire, I think, is maybe, I don't know, a million and a half people in the whole state. I mean,
Speaker 3All right, as you guys have planned just to stay put on the services that you're currently offered, like you're not adding anything else any time soon.
Speaker 1I don't think any time soon. I think we have a lot of, you know, do what you're really, really good at. Don't pull in another distraction. I want us to, we have, we know we have tons of market share, we gain gain in a lot of the trades that we're currently offering. So, I mean, and it's a lot. I mean, septic drink, cleaning, age back, plumbing, electrical. That's a lot. So I think really mastering those, making those the most profitable and working on efficiency and streamlining before bringing any more trades on is the way to go.
Speaker 3Yeah. Oh, it's a smart. Well, I, I mean, you got, you got, well, I mean, months we got left to rest here for four months. Seven months? Jeez. I don't know if you guys ever did this when you were young, but when I was young, you still always watch the Wizard of Oz would come on TV because you'd like get to wait for it to actually come on TV and the TV guide right back then. Wizard of Oz would come on, that's when you knew, like, okay, cool, it's fall. Falls here, then the holidays are coming and that was kind of like the trigger for it. The school had already started. And then you knew you like, I got a few months left. Well, I watched it with my kids last night, whether they wanted to stay and do it, they did it to appease me. So that was nice. Mason actually sat with me through the entire thing. So that was a miracle, but he actually watched it with me. But I just got me thinking like, wow, we are at the end of the year, like we're here and so you, you know, do you have like a, hey man, we're all we are all heads down focused on these next three months of just like, you know, just we're pacing 20 million that's it we're focused on sitting that 20 million and we're going to celebrate we hit that 20 million is that kind of where your focus that's let this last quarter.
Speaker 1The work just really focused on working hard. If we hit 20 million amazing, if we hit 1998, you know, I'm not going to be disappointed. As long as we're doing the right thing every day, day and a day out, like it'll be there, it'll be there. So for us, our business really gets busy this time of year into late November. So it's prime season for us on the septic drink, cleaning and excavation side. So we'll just crayon until pretty much no flies at this point. Yeah. And then just building the budget and doing all of the things for next year. So it's go time.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, you land in 19 and you're still, it's kind of the same like consistent growth that you've had a couple of million bucks a year like people love that every single year. That's that's a hell of a it's a hell of a good business and it sounds like you've been focusing on the bottom line too along with that. So that's important. So good for you. Well, congratulations on on a good business, Mandy.
Speaker 1Thank you.
Speaker 3You guys got something pretty special up there and you're pretty special and hopefully, as you can do to scale and focus on your story, everybody else will start to see that, you know? Oh, like I have. But just keep going. I mean, that's what you're still independent. You're doing your own thing. Doesn't sound like you have any plans to do anything other than that. You're still young, you're fixed, just turned 50. So you got plenty of runaway. How do you do whatever it is you want to do? scale in the business. Well, you already, you're already doing that part. So at least you have to start something over.
Speaker 1I know. I just, I might, my team kicked me out for the week. And so I said I was going to Florida, but I meant coming to Florida. And I was going to work remotely. And she's, she kicked me off the huddle yesterday and she's like, I'll see you on Monday. I was like, wait, what? So, you know, I started working on my vivid vision and nine pages later. We have a lot to build.
Speaker 3Good for you and will you end up doing something with like your leadership team towards you in the year on what that division is the planning part Yeah, I think I think we will.
Speaker 1I think we're going to do a couple days off site and just get together and I'm sure some of my ideas are are wacky and not worth it, but I'm going to let them decide So I'm going to lay it out let them decide
Speaker 3I always loved that time of year man. We would do the same thing. We would do this exercise. It's all our employees called right wrong missing confusing. There's probably variations of what that you've done. But basically it was we have all the employees anonymous anonymously say what's right in the company. What's wrong. What's missing and what's confusing. So basically like you got three get your ass kicked topics and you get one win, which is the what's right. category but we also as a leadership team would do it and then we would look to see if we overlap and we saw the same, like we were on the same page about what is right, what's wrong, what's missing, what's confusing. And then we would we would agree on, from the wrong category and missing and confusing, what What's legit in there that we do need to focus on going in the next year, but we also have the same thing like what's the plan? What's to go? I love that time of year of working on that together because it was the one time where it felt like all the employees or girls of size of company had a part in it. And they had a voice of voice in it. And then once it came down to departments, we'd have them work through. I stole this from Chris Hoffman a while ago because he told me how you used to build this budget from the bottom up. is we would work on whatever that department's part was in that department up they would actually work on their plan together as well so that way they had a part in their own plan that they committed to you know to hit the goal that we all set together so I was always a fun time here I miss those days we get to do it all smaller scale now with the with the company and send it send it email marketing is a main and a half It's only email marketing and only for home services, so it's pretty, pretty small and pretty straightforward, but it's fun, you know, we got to be able to tell people on that team, so it's just kind of like grassroots type stuff, but it's fun to do it over again for sure. But listen, congrats, congrats. I'm sure your dad's up there proud of second, proud of second you right now.
Speaker 1Yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 3Oh, no doubt, and I just, you know, you take the time to really stay connected with me during all this treatment stuff. I just thought that's pretty indicative of who you are as a human being. And any mere employees or whatever, listen, now like, you know, you didn't have to do that. Like, there was no reason you just did it because you're a good person, right?
Speaker 1And I really, anything you can do to help is one of the things that I do, you know, when we have employees go out and have babies or have surgeries, we cook meals for them and drop them off at the house. It's just those little things, little things.
Speaker 3Well, I don't have anything else, man. Chad, he's the most you want to close out with with me any.
Speaker 2No, thanks for spending time. Especially since you got kicked out of work this week. I should, you know, enjoy and you're here, you know, talking to us, knuckleheads. But no, enjoy and all the best of luck. I'm sure you guys will crush your goals. And if you ever need anything for us, we're here to help.
Speaker 1Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, today, guys.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was going to finish up with this to all the listeners. You know, I think this is one thing that Mandy is really good at. And that's not just talking about it. She's always going to be about it. So you can guarantee that. She has nothing else. She'll put her head down and go figure it out herself. And I'm, that's just what you got to do. So until next week, until we get her next episode, I'm whoever our VIP is next week. Hopefully we get Aaron back next week. We'll see who's on here. I'm not even a percent sure who we're interviewing the following week. So We'll figure that out as we go, but to me and you again, congratulations Chad. Appreciate you, buddy, and to all our listeners. Like I said, don't talk about it. Be about it. We'll see you next week.